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Anime and Manga vs Cartoons and Comics

Discussion in 'Anime & Manga General' started by Dineria, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. Dineria

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    Are they just sub-genres under the same umbrella, or different genres entirely?

    Anime - a style of Japanese film and television animation created using series of drawings or cg, which are displayed one after another, very rapidly, so as to produce an illusion of movement
    Cartoon - a motion picture that is made from a series of drawings, computer graphics, or photographs of inanimate objects (as puppets) and that simulates movement by slight progressive changes in each frame.
    Manga - also known as mangos. (totally couldn't find a definition that wasn't "Japanese comic or graphic novel")
    Comic - a magazine or book that contains a set of stories told in pictures with a small amount of writing, usually in speech bubble form and with visual sound effects.

    With the rise of more adult oriented cartoons - Bob's Burgers, Family Guy, South Park, Archer, etc, cartoons aren't specifically for children any more. (I know family guy and south park are late 90s, but the range of adult cartoons are increasing much faster these days), not to mention the forever existing adult aimed comic books and graphic novels.
    Is target age group a valid reason to separate the two.

    Can origins define them either?
    Sure, one is Eastern (Japanese) and one is Western (American), but what about animations and graphic novels from other countries? Anime is originally voiced in Japanese, but how is that different from a cartoon in any other language?
    What about American cartoons that are styled like Japanese anime. Avatar, RWBY and Boondocks all have a very 'anime' feel, yet they are made in America. What really stops these from being anime? They have character development, a story line, 'anime' art style. Avatar even has a comic book(manga??)!

    The general art style definitely sets them apart, with anime and manga tending to be much more detailed but is this a good enough reason for people to say "its anime, not a cartoon!".

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    Even though i'm struggling to give a clear difference between the two, I find myself enjoying anime and manga much more than I do cartoons and comics. I feel like there is a difference that can't really be defined.

    I'm interested to hear your points on this. Do you feel anime/manga and cartoons/comics really are a different style of art, or are they just a different genre under the same umbrella?
     
  2. DragonTheRevolutionary

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    This is exactly how i feel.

    Eventhough i can feel the "difference" its starting to get smaller with shows like the Avatar which i count like anime

    Maybe the biggest difference is that anime tells a whole story through their episodes while in cartoons every episode is by its self,it tells its own story and you dont need to watch every episode
     
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    My friends and I sometimes watch Archer and everbody is cool with it but if I watch anime they mistake it with hentai or they don't want to watch it due the language. Also Avatar was something that was very popular (and English).

    In my opinion it's the same idea, telling a story with animated/drawn pictures and with different origins comes a different kind of art, which can be even different on an indivual level.
     
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    That could be it, but every now and then you get a really good cartoon that tells a whole story throughout the episodes, but it still feels like a cartoon. I guess with those, you do get a full story, but then every episode is its own little story too.
    It could be that anime has arcs, where cartoons have episodes or seasons. Even Adventure Time has an underlying story, but its also a series where you can tune into a random episode and generally not be confused.

    I kinda wish there were more 'American animes', because it's so interesting to see how the art style and form of the programme compare.

    @Chaudfontaine i know what you mean! I was watching One Punch Man on my break at work, and my colleague came in the staff room and gave me the weirdest look! She asked me what i was watching and said she thought i was watching Japanese porn at first xD
     
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    #5 Yumavo Cado, Jan 26, 2016
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    A cartoon does not have to be an anime, but an anime is a cartoon by definition. Cartoon is not specified to be a Western thing, while anime is (usually) specified as Japanese; anime literally means "animation" in Japanese. Same for comics; comics are not manga, but manga are comics, Japanese comics to be precise.

    Now, moving away from the dictionary definitions, Japan especially just has a different way of doing animation and has a much bigger industry for comics and animation than Western countries. They are bound to be looked at as some kind of "genre" of their own because many of them share common traits that Western animation and comics usually do not - which is to be expected since they come from different parts of the world. This does not only happen in anime, you will also find Japanese movies to be quite different from French, Nigerian or Swedish movies - that doesn't mean that Japanese movies aren't movies, they're just distinct in style, humour, cultural influences, and execution. Should K-pop music and US-American pop music both be categorised as pop? It's the same problem. The only reason anime, manga, and K-pop get distinct names from the overall genres cartoon, comic, and pop music, is because their respective country's industry is big enough to seem distinct. If South Africa had a giant cartoon industry that makes up a huge industry branch and has a big enough fanbase, they'd probably get their own word for it as well. Like Afranime or something.

    Just look at Panty & Stocking or Cat Soup; while technically anime, they do not really look the part. Cowboy Bebop is influenced greatly by Western pop culture, is it still anime? Or let's turn it around, what about US-American cartoons that were animated in Japan? Are they anime? Most people would probably say no. At some point the line is blurred, and there will always be exceptions to rules.

    At the end of the day, I enjoy cartoons, animation, and anime, and they all overlap. I do not see much of a point in arguing the terms, I'd rather enjoy the medium for what it is. The way you enjoy anime over Western cartoons is the same as my saying I enjoy French movies over German ones. It's a preference in style.
     
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    I quite enjoy both to be honest. They are in a way... Pretty much the same, but very different at the same time. Depending on how you look at it.

    Comics and Manga are essentially the same. Drawings with minimal writing. Only difference is the cultural differences in the storyline in my opinion, but that is again down to the artist/writer.

    Same with manga and cartoons. It's just all really separated by origin.

    An example is Avatar: The last airbender. Alot of people class it as an ANIME. At first glance you would think it is due to the racial orientation of the characters. But it is in fact a cartoon!
     
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    In my book, anything not drawn in Japanese art style(I think you know what I'm saying) and in Japanese can't be considered Anime and Manga. Whether they are "storytelling" or "standalone" episodes does not matter.
     
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    Is it just the art style that is the reason for the opinion?
     
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    Imo anime and manga have a larger scope like u can find a lot series for any genre
    whereas cartoons and comics are limited mostly to the superhero/comedy genre
    anime has its fair share of superhero/comedy but it also has to offer other really good stuff for people who are not much interested in superheros and stuff(that would be me)
    the other important thing to note is that anime/manga dwell a lot deeper into the story with complex plots (not necessarily always a good thing) and have extensive character developments
    while u don't see it as much with western stuff but this is me solely judging based on the movies/cartoons that i have seen,maybe the comics which i have not read have more character development , i do agree some of the plots in the spiderman comics which i have read are extremely good, far better than most superhero(shonen) anime but fall behind to the genius of seinen anime

    basically i don't like superhero stuff and i am more into seinen shit so yeah anime>cartoon
     
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    yes, I think. The differences to me are the art style and the language.
     
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    This is quite relevant to me right now, since I started to get back into Western comics and cartoons lately. I've watched cartoons all my life, so I was never really concerned of it being childish or if it was girls or boys. My sister and I used to just watch all of them, I didn't complain about WINX and she didn't complain about Digimon.

    Currently watching: Star vs. Forces of Evil. I can tell the people working on this grew up with Sailor Moon. I did too, and the characters are quite refreshing.

    Oh, and something I always find interesting is Japanese dubs for Western cartoons! RWBY had one coming and it doesn't sound out of place at all. I especially love the ORAs! Maybe it's because it is anime-inspired to begin with?

    For quick comparison, Japanese dub of the before-mentioned Star vs. Does it sound more out of place because of the art style, despite also being anime-inspired?
     
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    Archer is amazing is it not

    For comedy etc., western cartoons are far better
    For action-y stuff, I'd rather watch anime than cartoons; I find the dialogue in shows like Justice League kinda cringey
    Even though some anime dialogues are incredibly cheesy, I think the fact that they aren't in English makes it more bearable
     
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    I always thought I could tell the difference between anime and cartoon by the art-style, Avatar has an anime-like art even though it's not Japanese; but for some reason I just can't consider it as cartoon. culture probably have a great influence on the difference between the two but not always I guess, some people regard anime simply as "Japanese cartoon"; doesn't sound right but doesn't sound too wrong either...

    Simply; I highly prefer manga and anime over all other TV shows and comics, but I'm still OK with cartoons.
     
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