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Haki <<<<<< Seastone

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  1. 105abs

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    Well as we can see in the last two chapters, we have see some hints regarding Haki and Seastone

    Some of us thinking Haki is the ultimate power but in the latest two chapters, we seen luffy hinting that he can't seen haki while in seastone cuffs.

    that definitely rise some questions:

    1- Is Haki that powerful ?
    2- logically is thing more powerful exist ?
    3- If haki isn't that strong, what can shape and carve the seastone ? (Not to forget poneglyph)
     

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    Based on the majority of scenes show, I would agree with the thread title of kairouseki being greater than haki (the benefits are too great for the crew to be dependent on it). However, this is ignoring the one scene of what I would call "haki mastery": Rayleigh "magically" removing Keimi's explosive collar. Other than greater consistency of foresight kenbunshoku (i.e. I would think kenbunshoku is relatively maxed out already), I don't think we have seen any other instance of mastered/anything even close to maxed out busoushoku.

    Once "haki mastery" becomes the norm (and it has to be with a few arcs since Luffy has to fight at a Yonkou level for the rest of the series pretty much), I would say that even haki then becomes greater than kairouseki. Although kairouseki and probably nothing else (other than the >50% submersion) will have the magical weakening of fruit users, haki has the magical benefit of being a power boost for any opponent. Same is already being applied for current busoushoku levels => the increased defensive/offensive benefits are universal (the magical negation of elemental fruit users is specific only to that).

    So I agree with the vast majority of the thread, but Oda literally has only one breadcrumb foreshadowing the change that should happen.
     
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    The way that I interpreted it was that luffy is in a weakened state due to the sea stone cuffs and due to that he can't use haki.
     
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    Another seastone.
    The main advantage of seastone over Haki is the possibility of industrial scale use.
    I'm quite surprised that in the OP Universe there are no anti-Fruit users explosive devices with seastone as lethal fragments in regular use.
     
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    Haki is a person's will power (and strength), if you've been weakened, then so will your haki

    If you'ree saying that seastone suppress someone's haki, i #Agree and #Disagree at the same time.
    Agree: Seastone suppress the haki of Devil fruit users ONLY, since haki is apart of their strenght
    Disagree: Seastone dont affect Non-DF users. If you disagree to that, then youre basically saying that if Shanks, Garp, or Rayleigh or even zoro was in handcuffs, they wouldnt be able to use haki aswell cause they were weakened?!
     
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    Oda limits/explains this with the panel on only Wano Kuni craftsmen have the skill to work with kairouseki. Thus, all of the kairouseki weapons had to be off the black market from CP0 (thus, the extreme rarity). Since Wano Kuni is going to be Luffy's ally, he completely stops the production of new kairouseki weapons.

    If the Marines had the technology, they would be using it already so I'd agree with that part if not for the above panel.
     
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    There is no need to give seastone any specific shape to make an IED with lethal fragments.
     
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    We've never seen the original shape of "raw" kairouseki, but if it does not have sharp edges/points, then there is no point to an IED. An ability user is only weakened for the split second the kairouseki touches their skin. Even with an explosion, defensive busoushoku is enough to stop the penetration (for those not like Big Mom/Kaidou with defense so high their skin is seemingly impenetrable).

    So especially if kairouseki is naturally round, it will not work on New World powerhouses. I would put current Luffy at a level that his defensive busoushoku is good enough => he can stop most blades already.

    Yes, it would not matter if defensive busoushoku is not present. That I would 100% agree, but the trend of this discussion has been for current and future fighting mechanics.
     

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